ursula: Gules, a bear passant sable (bear)
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[personal profile] katerinfg asked for "Laurely thoughts that might be helpful to someone on the path."

Perhaps the most standard Laurel-y advice is "Do what you love and don't worry about becoming a Laurel." I hate this advice, but it's so common that it must be useful to somebody.

The most benign interpretation of the advice is "If thinking about Laurel politics is stressing you out, maybe you should try making something instead." The advantage of this re-interpretation is that it remains useful after one becomes a Laurel, when Laurel politics become more stressful, because people tell you it is your duty to care about them. The disadvantage is that a natural extrapolation is "Maybe you should try making something that has nothing to do with the SCA at all," which may lead to happiness (I've been enjoying this strategy myself, of late) but doesn't exactly increase the glory of the Society.

The least benign interpretation is "You shouldn't be interested in becoming a Laurel, only in loving art." The problem is that saying so doesn't stop people from wanting praise, acclamation, and the respect of the people around them. Instead, it just encourages people to lie about their motivations (to themselves and others). If you have never encountered someone freaking out about why they didn't win a competition while simultaneously insisting they're only in it for the love of their art, you haven't been involved with very many SCA competitions. We'd be better off creating more local norms for decorum (like, don't be a jerk if you get bad scores in an art contest), accepting that some people are ambitious, and trying to channel those ambitions toward good.

The thing that drives me up the wall about this advice personally, though, is that it implicitly assumes that "what you love" is obvious. I am someone who likes a lot of things, and whose baseline level of intellectual intensity is pretty high. But because I am someone who likes a lot of things, it's easy for me to imagine that I could be happy doing something completely different: I commit at the 65% level very fast, and at the 95% level very rarely. The things I love are actually patterns or ways of approaching things: I care about learning new things, about formal structures like grammar and mathematics, about repetitive or meditative ways of making things, about iterating toward something better. Sometimes I tell people that my Laurel is in research and languages (learning stuff and one kind of formal structure!), but really I just did enough more or less related things until enough people on the Laurel council thought it was cool.

That's my version of the standard advice: Laurels are human. Even if you're doing everything right, it will take them a while to notice. Do things you think are interesting, ask yourself whether they're medieval things, let other people know about your questions, and try not to stress too much about the timeline.

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Date: 2018-01-04 03:07 am (UTC)
stitchwhich: (Default)
From: [personal profile] stitchwhich
Especially since as you increase in your knowledge and teaching, your art "renown" will also increase. After a while, if you are one of them who has slipped through the laurelly cracks, that will only be laughable because you are too busy helping others - who have come to you for aid - with their art. I've a friend who got herself blackballed from the laurelate by being single, beautiful, and talented. Jealousy and her suckups within the circle objected to her "PLQs" for years. Now she teaches her art wherever she goes, often at big Wars, and has been invited to teach at the Met in NYC. Someday the weight of her renown will overcome the jealousy of the naysayers - but while that will be personally satisfying in a small way, what she truly loves is contemplating how many people she has helped and how many non-SCA institutes are applying to her for her expertise.

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Date: 2018-01-04 03:59 am (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
haha, yes, at my very first Collegium I learned a bit about the freakout/insistence thing (and was baffled because I was nineteen and just wanted to weave a basket and dip into blackwork embroidery).

I admire your manifold (manigfealdne) approach, FWIW. I guess I commit at the 45% level but find it hard to tip even as far as 65%, which is partly how I never swung back towards SCA after escaping certain toxic interactions. Even now, I disclaim knitting more often than not. The things one learns inform one another and thus oneself, IMO, but I agree that it can be hard to see, perhaps especially for others to see.

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Date: 2018-01-08 01:49 pm (UTC)
thistleingrey: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thistleingrey
The thorough invasion of latinate words. ;)

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Date: 2018-01-04 06:56 am (UTC)
sporky_rat: Vert, an owl displayed argent and in chief three bezants. (me!!!!)
From: [personal profile] sporky_rat
It weirds people out when they notice I have a yellow belt. They ask why I have a yellow belt, did I take a yellow belt to become a Pelican?
No, I didn't take a yellow belt to learn how to become a Pelican. I took a yellow belt to learn how to serve my kingdom (and other reasons, but to become a Pelican is not on that list. At all. I'm not in it for awards and accolades.)
Edited (mobile keyboards and autocorrect are the bane of my existance) Date: 2018-01-04 06:57 am (UTC)

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Date: 2018-01-04 08:02 pm (UTC)
sporky_rat: It's a rat!  With stars!  It's ME! (rat with stars)
From: [personal profile] sporky_rat
I have a peer, but I didn't pick a Pelican to learn to become a Pelican, as it were? It was more to have a backup (you've met me, I'm tiny and my peer is well over six and a half feet tall and four feet broad) in case someone gets snarky or inappropriate. That sort of thing happens when people drink.

I wanted to serve the kingdom, and learn better to serve the kingdom and I have Thoughts on swearing/affirming fealty and that sort of thing and fortunately I was not required to be in fealty to my peer to do so.

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Date: 2018-01-04 10:46 am (UTC)
freewaydiva: (Fancy dress)
From: [personal profile] freewaydiva
Excellent advice. :)

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Date: 2018-01-04 06:03 pm (UTC)
wild_irises: (imagination)
From: [personal profile] wild_irises
Laurel-ing per se is not of great interest to me. On the other hand, I was very drawn to this:

I am someone who likes a lot of things, and whose baseline level of intellectual intensity is pretty high. But because I am someone who likes a lot of things, it's easy for me to imagine that I could be happy doing something completely different: I commit at the 65% level very fast, and at the 95% level very rarely.

Something rather like that is true of me, and I will have to tease out what it is, because you're giving me a different way of thinking about interests and commitments (and I love that). It also made me think of my niece, now 25, whom I have always described as so well-balanced in her interests and achievements that it isn't obvious how remarkable she is, compared to someone who grabs one thing and follows it.

So thanks!

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Date: 2018-01-05 12:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katerinfg
Thank you!

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